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Stoic Terms

Indifferents

Things that may be preferred or dispreferred without becoming the measure of a good character.

The central distinction

Things that may be preferred or dispreferred without becoming the measure of a good character.

The relevant primary texts approach this through Epictetus, Discourses, and Cicero, On Ends. Read the excerpts as parts of arguments, not as slogans.

How to examine it

Name the event in plain observable language. Then name the judgment, prediction, demand, or appetite added to it.

Separate what belongs to choice—attention, assent, refusal, intention, and action—from another person, the past, chance, and the final outcome.

A practical method

Use Indifference to Reputation: Release the demand to govern another person’s opinion. The practice supplies a fixed sequence so the idea is tested in experience rather than admired in the abstract.

Claim only the practice and the felt experience of doing it. Do not turn a philosophical exercise into a promise that an emotion, relationship, or circumstance will be cured.

Common confusion

Stoic practice does not require pretending that pain, fear, grief, or anger never appeared. The first movement can arrive before deliberate choice.

The work begins with the use made of that movement: whether it is accepted as a command, enlarged by a story, examined, delayed, or answered with character.

Primary-text evidence

These excerpts are shown with their exact work locators. Read them as evidence for study, not as detached slogans.

“Things themselves (materials) are indifferent; but the use of them is not indifferent. How then shall a man preserve firmness and tranquillity, and at the same time be careful and neither rash nor negligent? If he imitates those who play at dice. The counters are indifferent; the dice are indifferent. How do I know what the cast will be? But to use carefully and dexterously the cast of the dice, this is my business. Thus then in life also the chief business is this: distinguish and separate things, and say, “Externals are not in my power: will is in my power. Where shall I seek the good and the bad? Within, in the things which are my own.” But in what does not belong to you call nothing either good or bad, or profit or damage or anything of the…”
— Epictetus, Discourses 2.5 · George Long translation
“Now these things which we have spoken of as preferred, are preferred some for their own sake, some because they effect something else, and some for both reasons. Some are preferred for their own sake, such as some particular appearance or expression of countenance, some particular kind of gait, or motion, in which there are some things which may well be preferred, and some which may be rejected. Others are said to be preferred because they produce something, as money; and others for a combination of both reasons, as soundness of the senses, or good health. But respecting good reputation, (for what they call εὐδοξία is more properly called, in this place, good reputation than glory,) Chrysippus and Diogenes denied its whole utility, and used to say…”
— Cicero, On Ends 3.17 · Charles Duke Yonge translation
“What is the first business of him who philosophizes? To throw away self-conceit (οἴησις). For it is impossible for a man to begin to learn that which he thinks that he knows. As to things then which ought to be done and ought not to be done, and good and bad, and beautiful and ugly, all of us talking of them at random go to the philosophers; and on these matters we praise, we censure, we accuse, we blame, we judge and determine about principles honorable and dishonorable. But why do we go to the philosophers? Because we wish to learn what we do not think that we know. And what is this? Theorems. For we wish to learn what philosophers say as being something elegant and acute; and some wish to learn that they may get profit from what they learn. It is…”
— Epictetus, Discourses 2.17 · George Long translation